Friendlysociopath said:
Elden Ring was just Dark Souls but with more worldbuilding- so Jason's going to be faster than most any opponent and probably stronger as well unless you go really low-end.
Elden Ring is Dark Souls but more cinematic. Boss attacks are flashier, environmental damage is both more extravagant and numerous, and there are more cutscenes and scripted events that give bosses more to work with outside of their gameplay animations.
As far as how they compare to Jason, they mostly stack up pretty well. Admittedly, Riordan's characters are hardly bastions of consistency (meanwhile Elden Ring's characters are fairly consistent themselves) but you definitely do not need to cherry pick Jason's low ends to give Elden Ring a fighting chance. If anything I'd say it's the opposite, focusing on Jason's best feats is necessary for him to win.
Jason's exact speed is pretty nebulous at times, but Elden Ring enemies frequently swing their weapons at speeds in excess of 100m/s (with some such as Morgott, Radahn and Malenia approaching or exceeding 200m/s) and many of the largest weapons are well over a tonne. Each of Starscourge Radahn's swords weighs 8 tonnes and he still swings them exceptionally fast.
Most of the major bosses are stronger and faster than Jason is. Jason is probably capable of trading blows with many of them based on his ability to fight PJO Giants but a lot of them are faster than him and have further melee range and Jason himself isn't wildly durable. Radahn gan get stabbed in the chest just fine, Jason cannot.
Combine that with the limited number of respawns and I don't think Jason can clear the entire game. There are a lot of things Jason has never encountered before such as Scarlet Rot and Death Blight that can be mitigated if he knows what he's doing, but unlike the Tarnished who has infinite retries, he only has one per site of grace.
Jason's odds improve drastically if he knows how to complete a hyper efficient path and he avoids a lot of the harder run enders (Malenia, Ezykes, Fortissax, Placidusax, the DLC), but even the mandatory bosses still have some threats I don't think Jason has the tools to defeat such as Maliketh and Godfrey.
Friendlysociopath said:
That's not to mention he can fly and throw lightning bolts at people.
Unlike in Dark Souls, Elden Ring lightning is associated with Ancient Dragons, so 'flying and lightning' is far from an out of context problem for the setting. If anything, I'd say it's one the Golden Order has a pretty good handle on. Admittedly, the Golden Order is no longer this powerful, but before their peak, Gransax, a several hundred thousand tonne lightning dragon bodyslammed the capital Leyndell and still lost a fight to the Golden Order. Jason's lightning is certainly impressive within the context of Elden Ring, but it also doesn't bring anything new to the table either. Like I don't think Jason has anything on par with Placidusax or Bayle's lightning nukes. And while obviously those two represent the probable zenith of what dragons are capable of (at least any living dragon, who knows how Gransax stacked up), the peak of what's possible with Elden Ring's lightning incantations still surpasses Jason's own peaks.
And on top of there being people who specialize in flying around shooting lightning, gravity sorceries also excel at defeating airborne opponents and they're a widespread school of magic, particularly among the Redmanes. So there are people in the Lands Between who are very much expecting and equipped to take down airborne foes.
Etheridge605 said:
A lot of the feats listed here are a bit presumptuous. Percy cutting things with Riptide is never a pure strength feat. It's a magically sharp sword. Who knows how much of what he does with Riptide is because of its own sharpness rather than his brute strength. Still a good feat for Percy, but describing it as solely a function of strength is misleading.
Barring the Achilles Curse, Percy's best feat of strength is probably supporting Arachne and a Fiat 500, but it's not wildly combat applicable? Excellent grip strength on Percy's part, but he's at his limit at only about 1300kg (presuming Arachne is ~250kg)
Scaling probably doesn't mean much either in terms of Percy or Jason's own physical strength. Clearly they can engage strong and large opponents but rarely does that translate into the demigods themselves being that strong. Percy's fights with cyclops are probably the best example. Percy can lay a cyclops out no problem, but unlike a cyclops, who can throw a truck, Percy struggles greatly to support the weight of Arachne and a fiatt 500.
Mind you, these feats do show Jason should be able to engage the largest Elden Ring bosses, but that doesn't mean he's physically as strong as the monsters and giants he does fight. Which lines up with what is described in the Lost Hero:
Chapter 43 said:
Jason raised his javelin to block the giant's next strike—a big mistake. Don't fight force with force, a voice chided him —the wolf Lupa, who'd told him that long ago. He managed to deflect the spear, but it grazed his shoulder, and his arm went numb.
He's not simply matching the force of the blow, and even then it's not totally successful.
Etheridge605 said:
Text says Percy dodged as the tank fired, meaning this is an aim dodge. He reacted before the gun fired.
Etheridge605 said:
Deflected a handgun bullet using a super sense that allows him to track it.
Good, but ambiguous feat. Without a distance, you can't really determine Percy's reaction time or swing speed of his sword. Also, arguable outlier, Percy doesn't deflect bullets anywhere else in the series.
Etheridge605 said:
Scaling to lightning is always tricky, doubly so in a scenario like this where we're missing pieces. There can be a considerable range in how fast a bolt of lightning moves, depending on what part of the bolt you're looking at e.g. the return stroke.
Jason being a character who can consistently react to supersonic projectiles (or engage people who do) doesn't really gel with most typical depictions of his limits, namely the whole 'shot to death with arrows' part. His death really does put some hard caps about how fast he is. While I'd still say Jason probably can react to arrows in combat, they're clearly fast enough that they're something he needs to respect, rather than being so slow they're a non factor.
Etheridge605 said:
Both quotes describe Jason as being severely staggered by the explosion. In the first excerpt, Jason even admits he doesn't know how he survived. Jason is certainly resistant to fire and lightning, but he's far from immune.
